Listening to the House speeches, trying to convince us this is for our own good, reminds me of this:
Joe Barton (R-TX) rises in opposition to rule and bill.
Lloyd Doggett (D-TX) rises in opposition.
Mike Pence (R-IN) rises in opposition.
Mike Pence: LOVE HIM! He’s the true maverick in the GOP! Pence arguing in favor of the free market. Quoting Reagan heavily. Pence has gotten it from the beginning. Pence is the future of the Republican Party. He’s a superstar.
How nice……NOT! The children’s wooden arrow makers, rum manufacturers in VI and Puerto Rico and Hollywood moguls (who stand to gain $47 million A YEAR for the next 10 years from the porked up Senate “emergency rescue” bill. — Wild Thing
Fear Mongering exposed by Mr. Sherman on CSPAN
Peter DeFazio (D-OR) rises in opposition.
DeMint said, they are under a lot of pressure I just saw Sherm (D) CA on Fox. He calls this “lipstick and pork on a pig!” He is not voting for it. He said Paulson made it look like the end of the world is here if this does not pass.
Get your plate and silverware out and get ready to eat your crap sandwich. And keep your plate and silverware out, because this isn’t the first one we are going to be required to eat. — Wild Thing
This is 451 pages of socialism wrapped in pork.
176 Republicans voted AGAINST the rule. Not sure what’s going on.
Barney Frank won
172Y 157N
So they voted to vote…now we’ll have about 90 minutes of debate
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Calling the house to order. Rangle is up.
Speaker calling the house to order….protesters removed from the House
Rangel ripping the Bush administration.
Rangel: “We have a political gun at our heads.”
House still not in order. Speaker getting irate.
Rangel’s speech was totally boring.
Jim McCrery (R-LA) rises. Says it might be his last speech.
Rangel wants to say goodbye to Jim McCrery. Ugh.
Blunt’s up. We all know where he stands.
The notion of taxing the middle class to bail out the middle class is a nonsequitur. We are bailing out Wall Street let there be no question about it. They are doing this to us not because they need it, but because as they just proved, they can.
It’s just another profitable trade. Down you lose, up we win. And all these folks are too dumb to see it happening. –Wild Thing
Pete Stark (D-CA) rises in opposition.
Howard Coble (R-NC) rises in SUPPORT. This is a change. He voted no on Monday. He said the phone calls made the difference….pressure was on
Sounds like the lobbyists were organized with the phone calls.
Devin Nunes (R-CA) rises in opposition. Nunes: “If the secretary wants to run a hedge fund, he should go back to Wall Street.”
Earl Blumenauer (D-OR) rises in opposition.
Zach Wamp (R-TN) is another switching to AYE. Zach Wamp says that nobody in East Tennessee hates the fact that he is voting for this more than he does.
Barrett (R-SC) switchover
Honestly, it is a strange feeling, listening to Republicans give the, “I know how awful this is, but…” speeches. It allows me to realize that the ones making those speeches, have been making them all along – I just did not hear them. That was MY mistake, and it was one that allowed them to remain.
It also reveals the TRUE conservatives, who I am SO thankful for, and will give my full support no matter which state they reside in. No doubt, we have a VERY tough job ahead of us, but conservatives are up for it . Barney Frank’s ass has never been kissed so many time in one morning. — Wild Thing
Second vote so once again Pence speaking now. Still opposed! Good for him!
Barbara Lee – “I will continue to fight for a direct economic stimulus package that was not included in this bill.”
What the hell do you call this?
Debate time is wrapping up. Hoyer doing a hard sell.
Unfortunately Bush put conservatives in a terrible position, which he has done on economic issues a lot in his Presidency. They are between a rock and a hard place. If we had a real conservative like Ronaldus Magnus at the helm, they wouldn’t be put in the position of having to stand up to a liberal Democrat Treasury Secretary who is unquestioningly supported by a Republican President. — Wild Thing
Well, it must be over….Pelosi’s up
Most conservatives will hold the line. But since the Dems and the RINOs want it, to that’s the way it will be. We didn’t cave, despite the entreaties of Bush, McConnell, Boehner and Blunt. I think 135 Republicans will still still say NO to this monstrosity. God bless our brave conservative House Republicans who continue to exhibit integrity of the highest order and will not fold like a cheap suit.– Wild Thing
Pelosi speaking…much more low-key and conciliatory than on Monday —- augh!
Pelosi says “this is ONLY THE BEGINNING”
The American Republic will endure until the day Congress discovers that it can bribe the public with the public’s money. —Alexis de Tocqueville
Dems overwhelmingly in favor so far…GOP slight majority for
IT’S TIME TO THROW THE TEA IN THE HARBOR. The vast majority (77%?) of the American population is opposed this. These people in Congress are *supposed* to be voting representative to our wishes. Clearly THEY ARE NOT doing that. Our founding fathers had a phrase for this. They called it “TAXATION WITHOUT REPRESENTATION”! I fear, *fear*, that we are fast approaching a time of national revolution. I’m holding my breath hoping that a majority in Congress understand the ramifications and yet kill this beast.— Wild Thing
Bailout passed…..round of applause heard on the floor……Off to President Bush for his signature.
Dem 172 Y 63 N
GOP 91 Y 108 N
Total vote 263 Y 171 N
Roll Call Vote No. 681 on voting passage of the Bill.
I’m stunned- really I am. not that it passed- but by the margins of the GOP who caved. The politicians no longer represent the American people. — Wild Thing
God help our nation, May God have mercy. This is a day we’ll never forget. The last stronghold of capitalism is now that much closer to socialism….hell this IS socialism! — Wild Thing
I can’t tell you how disappointed I am in Bush and all the other cavers. This is one giant pandering piece of pig crap. The credit market has been seeming bad this week because they have been waiting to see how much they were going to get helped.
Enter Super Pig Warren Buffett to the rescue. Yeah! Not! At least it wasn’t another politician, that’s about all I can say about that.
Icing on this pork pie was when Pelosi sputtered that Barney Frank was the Maestro of this bill, as if it was some magical document that will, finally, save her planet! What planet she’s on, still undetermined. The hypocracy that was exhibited over this “bale out” has reached legendary proportions.
I still haven’t received my new voter’s card…I hope I haven’t been reverse ACORNED. My senators are Durbin and Obama, and I’d do handstands and cartwheels all the way to the voting booth and back if I had to to vote against them.
Practically the whole lot needs to go. I want a Sarah Palin “never again” shirt.
Welcome to the new Weimar Republic, the queers and steers won this Deutsches Reich battle, the Maestro of this bill has been playing with more than one flute. All that is left is for the printing presses to crank up. Next it will be the bailout of every state in the union that has squandered their revenue on socialist programs along with those businesses who have socialized to the point they can’t compete on a level playing field. Let’s see, a $100K house goes for $300k-$400K, that piece of crap Chevy or Ford that is worth maybe $6K is now $60K, not to mention that the personal property taxes have all been adjusted up to the bloated levels of the housing market. This crisis didn’t stop the legislators from their much needed pay raises did it?
Eden, that would make a great T-shirt.
I agree Eden I am really disappointed too.
Jack yes they won’t stop their pay raises that’s for sure.
Chrissie, that rule they voted on was to change the rules because tax bills must constitutionally originate in the House, the Senate attached the bailout plan to a bill that deals with renewable energy tax incentives. Talk about a “RINOFLEX” Earmark!!! This allowed the Senate to vote before the House to approve an $850B pork laden earmarked bailout bill. This makes it look like the house is wholly to blame. Another good Republican, California Governor Arnold Schwarzenegger sent a letter Thursday to the Secretary of the Treasury asking for a $7 billion loan from the federal government to cover state-funded services. The governor’s actions came after the state was locked out of the credit market for short-term financing for bond offerings and payments to schools, local governments and law enforcement. It is expected that the state will issue $7 billion in Revenue Anticipation Notes – essentially government IOUs – for short term cash flow purposes within a matter of days. Is Ahhnuld facing an illegal uprising???
“Success makes a fool seem wise.”
-H. G. Bohn
AS a Lawyer Joe Biden couldn’t even define the role of the Vice-President. Now he went to law school, or at least he attended. One would think in constitutional law a first year Law student would know what the responsibilities of the VP are suppose to be. He didn’t.
Like this ‘pork’ bill, I would bet that at least 99 % of the congressmen did not know what the hell they were voting for. But all they knew was there was something in it for ‘ them ‘.
Now, Schwarzennegger wants the Feds to bail out California. Where does it end. Who is next on the list for a handout.
Our government as it stands now is disgusting.
McCain want to give up on Michigan and throw in the towel, Sarah Palin disagrees and says she will go to Michigan and talk to the people there.
Suddenly McCain doesn’t sound like a fighter to me anymore. Or he is just too tired to compete any longer.
Jack, thank you. I just heard that about that POS Arnold on the TV news. Thanks for puttiong it here. What an ass he is. He is NO Republcian and certainly NOT a conservative.
He has been giving EVERYTHING in his State away to the illegals and now he complains and whines about money. He can GO TO HELL. Yes I am ticked, I wish I never knew that @#$%^&*I(O)#$%^&*()#$%^&*()@#$%^&*(O).
If we still lived back in Calif. I would take a flight to his office, walk in and tell him off like he has never been told off in his life.
Arnold should be kicked out of office ASAP!!!!!!!!
Mark, yess and I have just a gut feeling Sarah is a little upset about Mich. and how she did not hear about it till today when it was all over the internet and on the news yesterday. Why on earth couldn’t McCain’s campaign tell her about it discuss it with her too before it hit the media. That was soooooooooooooo WRONG.
And Arnold what a total liberal democrat jerk you name any bad name and it is Arnold, I am furious with him. He should be given the boot asap and get him out of politics immediately, he is killing California. He just loves the illegals even went against McCain on drilling when McCain had a change in mind about drilling and decided to drill offshore.
I guess I’m hopelessly over the hill. Listened to Lou Dobbs a few minutes ago and totally agree with him on this issue. I lost all my Republican email friends this evening by telling them that I am going to vote for Sarah Palin next week when my mail-in ballot comes. Voting for her by write-in that is. When you screw over an old hillbilly from the mountains of North Carolina they never forgive you. Bush and McCain have done just that. The President’s first duty is to protect the citizens. How can he hold off Al Qaeda if he can’t handle Nancy Pelosi and her bodyguard of eunuchs?
God knows I would hate to disappoint Chrissie because she has kept me sane ’till now through this election. Hope she suspends her judgement of me and maybe I can regain her approval via other issues. Sarah Palin is the greatest person to come along for me to admire since Sarah Brightman. Two super human beings. Makes me wonder if Chrissie’s middle name isn’t Sarah.
Guess I’ll revert to lurker status until this horror story is over. Just hope I live to see it over. On my Franklin County, VA tombstone I want it to say, “Think of him fondly, he voted for Sarah Palin and died proud of it.”
I thought that it would be November 4th, if Barack Hussein Obama was elected President, that I would, with a sad and broken heart, proclaim that “For the first time in my adult life, I am not proud of my country.” This misguided and national suicide bailout bill is a gross failure of Congress, the White House, and a citizenry too ignorant and/or stupid to know what damage they have done to a formerly great country.
Bitcherella may be right, but for different reasons.
http://www.cafepress.com/cp/moredetails.aspx?showBleed=false&ProductNo=230369559&colorNo=0&pr=F
And what’s more–I’m a NASCAR fan as is all my family. After all I grew up with the fast car drivers who hauled the liquor up into the mountains from legal stores in South Carolina. Whoever is giving NASCAR 100 million dollars with that add-on bill should be neutered and hanged to a power pole. I live in an old-fashioned neighborhood with above ground utilities. Use my pole for any or all these scoundrels.
It’s so bad I don’t have the words to describe how I feel. When we have the likes of Bill Ayers and Ward Churchill teaching our young people, Lenin’s useful idiots, this is what we reap. And to be looking at a socialist taking the presidency in January…..
John McCain voted yes on this socialist POS; now I have to vote NO on him. The nation will survive Obama and the Republicans need a spankin’ so they remember who put them in power. I will vote against every Senator and Representative that vote yes on this BAILOUT. Too bad, so sad….
On a lighter note, this site usually makes me laugh:
http://nakedloon.com/blogs/loony-bin/2008/10/03/credit-in-crisis-naked-loon-special-edition/
It is wrong to put temptation in the path of any nation,
For fear they should succumb and go astray;
So when you are requested to pay up or be molested,
You will find it better policy to say: —
“We never pay any-one Dane-geld,
No matter how trifling the cost;
For the end of that game is oppression and shame,
And the nation that pays it is lost!”
-Kipling
What am I suppose to tell my children and my grandchildren as to why they won’t be able to enjoy the luxuries I had-that we caved in, rolled over and played dead for Nazi Peelooser, Heartless Harry, Barney the big fat dinosaur Frank? This bill is one of the most reprehesible, vile, odious pos I have ever seen! It is stinky and has enough pork to clog ALL our arteries! It was crammed down our throats right before an election (a major one!) and Nazi got everything she wanted (the whiny little bitch!)
But what about today? What about tomorrow? What do I tell them? I want them to know I tried everything I could to give them that life in the sun, but those idiots we elected to work for us (not themselves!) blew it for all of us! This doesn’t do one thing for the ordinary, everyday Joe on the street. That’s who needs help–the guy who works hard every day, trying to keep that roof over his head, food in his belly, shoes on his feet, clothes on his back, who drives an older vehicle and tries to get it repaired when he can, who only goes to the movies once or twice a year because the price of tickets is too high and who enjoys his family more than life itself. That’s who needs help and he ain’t gonna see nothing from this bill!!!!!!!!!!!!
Horace, I understand and I hope you don’t stay away but still come here. You can always comment on other things that are not about the election, if you feel up to it. You are always welcome here Horace, always.
What these people did and unfortunately it includes McCain is against what America has always stood for. They are going to find what a huge mistake they made when States start to send in their whine’s of wanting money like stupid liberal Arnold has done from California. He is the one that is at fault and they better tell him no way.
Always know you can always say how you feel Horace and I appreciate it very much.
Thank you for sharing that from Kipling too.
I love NASCAR too Horace, I don’t understand about the money to that, some of this I really don’t understand even though I have tried very hard and read a ton of things about this bailout.
I love America so much it breaks my heart what these fools have done with this vote. And the guilty go free, I know they will not be punished they never have been hardly ever in the past.
Les, I really have only prayers left as to what has happened.
God brought us Sarah for a reason and I can’t turn my back on this chance to get her elected as VP.
Jim, it does seem that way, there is such a terrible machine on Obama’s side. I have never seen anything like it. I don’t even post all the things I read about I physically can’t keep up with the tremendous amount of vile things coming from the Obama machine to elect him.
I just keep praying and thanking God too for Sarah. If she was not in this we would be completely gone as a country. She is our only chance, our ray of sunshine and a true conservative.
Lynn, you are such an awesome mom!!
I never thought this kind of thing could ever be voted yes on. I am in shock about it. I know it happened, but I am in shock.
Like you said you did all you could and always do, that is why you are a special person.
I wrote to the ones that voted NO and thanked them. I wrote to several that voted Yes and let them have it. But other then that I honeslty have no idea what will be next. Just lots of prayer.
I am 75 years old and have been through many Presidential elections. The one time I did not vote, the person that won had such a majority of votes that he had a mandate and control with the Congress with the same ideology dictated what he wanted to do and of course Congress agreed and they passed bills that I could not at all agree with. But I lost my say when I did not vote. I learned my lesson the hard way.
McCain is a rino but we have Palin on the ticket that counts a lot for now and for the future.
The bailout bill shows how the liberal political agenda such as control of Fanny Mae and Freddie Mac, believe they can make everybody happy, but ignore the principles of capitalism which made this country great. The government should stay out of free enterprise. This crisis could be a blessing in disguise.
The American people can realize socialism doesn’t work. Liberals will blame conservatives, but the truth is in the pudding.
And investigation will show that liberals in Congress turned a blind eye to red flags and warnings from the President and conservatives to stay out of the financial market. They put the financial system of the future at substantial risk and it happened!
Decided to quit cursing the darkness for a while and light some candles. We have been assembling packs of information on the Republican Candidates for Arapahoe County, CO, the state of Colorado, and the Presidential election all day and will be putting them on porches tomorrow. Really a great looking slate across the board. All-Americans all of them. I’m proud to be associated with them. Real work has taken the taste of the Bailout out of my mouth. On to the Statehouse and the White House!
Horace just this ((((((((( hug )))))))))
That is great there are some wonderful people that are running for office. I wish we could clone ( giggle ) Mike Pence and somw others in office now, and one thing is when I think of people like that I know there is hope on the horizon.