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December 19, 2009
Sen. Ben Nelson to Announce Support For Health-Care Bill
Sen. Ben Nelson to announce support for health-care bill
Sen. Ben Nelson (Neb.), the final Democratic holdout on health care, was prepared to announce to his caucus Saturday morning that he would support the Senate reform bill, clearing the way for final passage by Christmas.
"We're there," said Sen. Kent Conrad (D-N.D.), as he headed into a special meeting to announce the deal.
Democratic leaders spent days trying to hammer out a deal with Nelson, and worked late Friday night with Nelson on abortion coverage language that had proved the major stumbling block. But Nelson also secured other favors for his home state.
Asked if he was prepared to support the bill, Nelson said, "Yeah."
With Nelson seemingly on board, Senate Majority Leader Harry M. Reid unveiled the final version of a sweeping overhaul of the nation's health insurance system that would expand coverage to an additional 31 million Americans, coming closer to attaining the Democrats' longsought goal of universal medical coverage.
The package closely tracks the $848 billion measure Reid (D-Nev.) drafted this month, before he entered into negotiations aimed at winning the 60 votes he needs to avert a GOP filibuster, aides said. Since then, Reid has made numerous concessions to moderate Democrats, scrapping an effort to create a government-run insurance plan and beefing up prohibitions on spending federal funds for abortion coverage, a change demanded by the final holdout, Sen. Ben Nelson of Nebraska.
Instead of a public option, the final product would allow private firms for the first time to offer national insurance policies to all Americans, outside the jurisdiction of state regulations. Those plans would be negotiated through the Office of Personnel Management, the same agency that handles health coverage for federal workers and members of Congress.
Starting immediately, insurers would be prohibited from denying children coverage for pre-existing conditions. A complete ban on the practice would take effect in 2014, when the legislation seeks to create a network of state-based insurance exchanges, or marketplaces, where people who lack access to affordable coverage through an insurer can purchase policies.
Insurers competing in the exchanges would be required to justify rate increases, and those who jacked up prices unduly could be barred from the exchange. Reid's package also would give patients the right to appeal to an independent board if an insurer denies a medical claim. And all insurance companies would be required to spend at least 80 cents of every dollary they collect in premiums on delivering care to their customers.
Every American would be required to obtain coverage under the proposal, and employers would be required to pay a fine if they failed to offer affordable coverage and their workers sought federal subsidies to purchase insurance in the exchanges. Reid's package would offer additional assistance to the smallest businesses, however, increasing tax credits to purchase coverage by $12 billion over previous versions.
The overall cost of the package was not immediately available, but aides said it would be more than covered by cutting future Medicare spending and raising taxes in the health sector, including a 40 percent excise on the most expensive insurance policies. The package would reduce budget deficits by $130 billion by 2019, aides said, and by as much as $650 billion in the decade thereafter.
Reid officially filed the package early Saturday with plans to hold a first critical vote after midnight Sunday. Barring unexpected delays, Democrats were still hoping to push the package to final passage by Christmas Eve.
Schumer: We've Reached Agreement With Nelson
Sen. Chuck Schumer (D-NY) just told reporters that he and Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid shook hands last night at 10:30 p.m. with Sen. Ben Nelson (D-NE) on an agreement that he would vote for cloture on health care reform, on the basis of the abortion language in the manager's amendment.
They have 60 now.
text of the abortion amendment
''SEC. 1303. SPECIAL RULES.
(a) STATE OPT-OUT OF ABORTION COVERAGE.-- ''(1) IN GENERAL.--A State may elect to prohibit abortion coverage in qualified health plans offered through an Exchange in such State if such State enacts a law to provide for such prohibition. (2) TERMINATION OF OPT OUT.-- A State may repeal a law described in paragraph (1) and provide for the offering of such services through the Exchange.
(b) SPECIAL RULES RELATING TO COVERAGE OF ABORTION SERVICES.--(1) VOLUNTARY CHOICE OF COVERAGE OF ABORTION SERVICES.-- (A) IN GENERAL.--Notwithstanding any other provision of this title (or any amendment made by this title)-- (i) nothing in this title (or any amendment made by this title), shall be construed to require a qualified health plan to provide coverage of services described in subparagraph (B)(i) or (B)(ii) as part of its essential health benefits for any plan year; and ''(ii) subject to subsection (a), the issuer of a qualified health plan shall determine whether or not the plan provides coverage of services described in subparagraph (B)(i) or (B)(ii) as part of such benefits for the plan year.
'(B) ABORTION SERVICES.-- (i) ABORTIONS FOR WHICH PUBLIC FUNDING IS PROHIBITED.--The services described in this clause are abortions for which the expenditure of Federal funds appropriated for the Department of Health and Human Services is not permitted, based on the law as in effect as of the date that is 6 months before the beginning of the plan year involved.
(ii) ABORTIONS FOR WHICH PUBLIC FUNDING IS ALLOWED.--The services described in this clause are abortions for which the expenditure of Federal funds appropriated for the Department of Health and Human Services is permitted, based on the law as in effect as of the date that is 6 months before the beginning of the plan year involved.
(2) PROHIBITION ON THE USE OF FEDERAL FUNDS.-- ''(A) IN GENERAL.--If a qualified health plan provides coverage of services described in paragraph (1)(B)(i), the issuer of the plan shall not use any amount attributable to any of the following for purposes of paying for such services: (i) The credit under section 36B of the Internal Revenue Code of 1986 (and the amount (if any) of the advance payment of the credit under section 1412 of the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act). (ii) Any cost-sharing reduction under section 1402 of thePatient Protection and Affordable Care Act (and the amount (if any) of the advance payment of the reduction under section 1412 of the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act).
(B) ESTABLISHMENT OF ALLOCATION ACCOUNTS.--In the case of a plan to which subparagraph (A) applies, the issuer of the plan shall-- (i) collect from each enrollee in the plan (without regard to the enrollee's age, sex, or family status) a separate payment for each of the following: (I) an amount equal to the portion of the premium to be paid directly by the enrollee for coverage under the plan of services other than services described in paragraph (1)(B)(i) (after reduction for credits and cost-sharing reductions described in subparagraph (A)); and (II) an amount equal to the actuarial value of the coverage of services described in paragraph (1)(B)(i), and (ii) shall deposit all such separate payments into separate allocation accounts as provided in subparagraph (C). In the case of an enrollee whose premium for coverage under the plan is paid through employee payroll deposit, the separate payments required under this subparagraph shall each be paid by a separate deposit.
(C) SEGREGATION OF FUNDS.-- (i) IN GENERAL.--The issuer of a plan to which subparagraph (A) applies shall establish allocation accounts described in clause (ii) for enrollees receiving amounts described in subparagraph (A). '(ii) ALLOCATION ACCOUNTS.--The issuer of a plan to which subparagraph (A) applies shall deposit-- (I) all payments described in subparagraph (B)(i)(I) into a separate account that consists solely of such payments and that is used exclusively to pay for services other than services described in paragraph (1)(B)(i); and (II) all payments described in subparagraph (B)(i)(II) into a separate account that consists solely of such payments and that is used exclusively to pay for services described in paragraph (1)(B)(i).
(D) ACTUARIALVALUE.-- (i) IN GENERAL.--The issuer of a qualified health plan shall estimate the basic per enrollee, per month cost, determined on an average actuarial basis, for including coverage under the qualified health plan of the services described in paragraph (1)(B)(i). (ii) CONSIDERATIONS.--In making such estimate, the issuer-- (I) may take into account the impact on overall costs of the inclusion of such coverage, but may not take into account any cost reduction estimated to result from such services, including prenatal care, delivery, or postnatal care; (II) shall estimate such costs as if such coverage were included for the entire population covered; and (III) may not estimate such a cost at less than $1 per enrollee, per month.
(E) ENSURING COMPLIANCE WITH SEGREGATION REQUIREMENTS.-- (i) IN GENERAL.--Subject to clause (ii), State health insurance commissioners shall ensure that health plans comply with the segregation requirements in this subsection through the segregation of plan funds in accordance with applicable provisions of generally accepted accounting requirements, circulars on funds management of the Office of Management and Budget, and guidance on accounting of the Government Accountability Office. (ii) CLARIFICATION.--Nothing in clause (i) shall prohibit the right of an individual or health plan to appeal such action in courts of competent jurisdiction.
'(3) RULES RELATING TO NOTICE.-- (A) NOTICE.--A qualified health plan that provides for coverage of the services described in paragraph (1)(B)(i) shall provide a notice to enrollees, only as part of the summary of benefits and coverage explanation, at the time of enrollment, of such coverage.
(B) RULES RELATING TO PAYMENTS.-- The notice described in subparagraph (A), any advertising used by the issuer with respect to the plan, any information provided by the Exchange, and any other information specified by the Secretary shall provide information only with respect to the total amount of the combined payments for services described in paragraph (1)(B)(i) and other services covered by the plan.
(4) NO DISCRIMINATION ON BASIS OF PROVISION OF ABORTION.--No qualified health plan offered through an Exchange may discriminate against any individual health care provider or health care facility because of its unwillingness to provide, pay for, provide coverage of, or refer for abortions
(c) APPLICATION OF STATE AND FEDERAL LAWS REGARDING ABORTION.-- (1) NO PREEMPTION OF STATE LAWS REGARDING ABORTION.--Nothing in this Act shall be construed to preempt or otherwise have any effect on State laws regarding the prohibition of (or requirement of) coverage, funding, or procedural requirements on abortions, including parental notification or consent for the performance of an abortion on a minor.
(2) NO EFFECT ON FEDERAL LAWS REGARDING ABORTION.--
(A) IN GENERAL.--Nothing in this Act shall be construed to have any effect on Federal laws regarding-- '(i) conscience protection; '(ii) willingness or refusal to provide abortion; and '(iii) discrimination on the basis of the willingness or refusal to provide, pay for, cover, or refer for abortion or to provide or participate in training to provide abortion.
(3) NO EFFECT ON FEDERAL CIVIL RIGHTS LAW.--Nothing in this subsection shall alter the rights and obligations of employees and employers under title VII of the Civil Rights Act of 1964.
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Ben Nelson's Medicaid deal
Sen. Mary Landrieu got the "Louisiana Purchase." Sen. Ben Nelson got the federal government to pick up most his state's future Medicaid tab -- forever. As part of the deal to win Nelson's support, the federal government will fund Nebraska's new Medicaid recipients. It's a provision worth about $45 million over the first decade.
Also from John McCormack...
Nelson Agrees to Abortion Funding in at Least 13 States?
Harry Reid has released the manager's amendment that Ben Nelson has reportedly agreed to vote for, meaning that the Senate bill has 60 votes. The abortion language includes the phony segregation of funding language that was rejected in the House. It would allow individual states to opt out of the abortion-funding program--in other words, the default position is to pay for abortions; states would have to pass legislation to not fund abortions. But states where public abortion-funding is mandated by state court rulings would be required to pay for abortions:
‘‘(1) NO PREEMPTION OF STATE LAWS REGARDING ABORTION.—Nothing in this Act shall be construed to preempt or otherwise have any effect on State laws regarding the prohibition of (or requirement of) coverage, funding, or procedural requirements on abortions, including parental notification or consent for the performance of an abortion on a minor.
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Wild Thing's comment.........
May God damn every Senator who votes for this. Every last one. They are ignoring the will of the people!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
And get this, they are going to VOTR ON THIS BILL AT 1;00 A.M. Monday morning. IN THE MIDDLE OF THE NIGHT.
“ Government is not reason, it is not eloquence, it is force; like fire, a troublesome servant and a fearful master. Never for a moment should it be left to irresponsible action”…. General George Washington
....Thank you Lynn for sending this to me.
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....Thank you Mark for sending this to me.
Mark
3rd Mar.Div. 1st Battalion 9th Marine Regiment
1/9 Marines aka The Walking Dead
VN 66-67
Posted by Wild Thing at December 19, 2009 10:33 AM
Comments
C'mon!!! Was there any doubt? The son of a bitch was playing hard to get, both parties have the moral fiber of a whore on heroin.
Posted by: Jack at December 19, 2009 11:07 AM
So now the monster will be born. The government will control all aspects of our medical lives. Long lines, some services not available, denial of services based on age, taxes on medical insurance.
There are a few more steps before this healthcare plan will be put into effect, but it is beginning to look like a done deal. I hope Sen. Ben Nelson loses his seat next election.
Posted by: TomR at December 19, 2009 11:07 AM
Keep your Powder dry.
All we can do now is work for November and get this bill killed, in deomcrat terms a late term abortion.
Abort this bill.
Posted by: Mark at December 19, 2009 11:59 AM
Landrieu, Osama Ben Nelson,Susan Collins and all the rest have the moral fiber of crack whores indeed. The entire lot makes an excellent case for retroactive abortion.
Posted by: Willy at December 19, 2009 02:12 PM
Landrieu, Osama Ben Nelson,Susan Collins and all the rest have the moral fiber of crack whores indeed. The entire lot makes an excellent case for retroactive abortion.
Posted by: Willy at December 19, 2009 02:12 PM
When he was in the news last week as one of the "hold-outs", I thought to myself: "I don't like that face". He has the face of someone who has been in politics too long, like a maffiaso boss who is used to power. Well, I guess I my instinct was right. What's the word? "Purchaseable"? Yep, that's what he looks like, someone who can be bought. Don't you just loooovvvvve these politicians??? ...
Ed
Posted by: Eddy at December 19, 2009 03:20 PM
It appears that great minds think alike Wild Thing!
Posted by: TexasFred at December 19, 2009 04:09 PM
So, this was just a big giveaway to his state for no more than a clocher (sp) vote? This means any and all of the other political prostitutes in Congress can hold out for billion dollar freebies until they just bust our collective gut to pass this abortion?
I am read to join the majority of Americans in marching on washingtion to execute a citizens' arrest and trial for treason of everyone in Congress who supports this bill, cap & tax and climategate payments.... both houses. These scumbags should hang in the wind for raping our Constitution.
I HATE all Democrats in Washington DC. May they all spend the rest of their lives in prison for treason.
Posted by: Billy Ray at December 19, 2009 04:59 PM
ben "the whore" nelson is now up there with kent"cunt"conrad and byron"dicklicker"dorgan and tampax max baucus.
Posted by: Glenn Cassel AMH1 USN Retired at December 19, 2009 05:57 PM
All the Democrats in the senate have prostituted themselves with funds from us tax payers. Its fitting this is been done in the dead of the night because thats the time whores sale their wares.
Posted by: Ron Russell at December 19, 2009 06:33 PM
The following is taken from the Declaration of Independence, something our Congress no longer recognizes or abides by.
That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, — That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness.
Posted by: BobF at December 19, 2009 07:47 PM
Nelson's photo resembles one of many... dons on the epic Godfather classic movies! What a...
honker too, eh? These crooks will PASS anything so they can be HOME for Christmas?
Happy New Year Baracksheviks, da comrades?
Back to shoveling 18" of snow from Al Gore's global warming!
Posted by: darthcrUSAderworldtour07 at December 19, 2009 08:20 PM
Mr. Cassell, this is a Ladie's forum. Maybe you could save the salty lingo for the Crow's Nest...?
Posted by: Billy Ray at December 19, 2009 09:27 PM
Yes, we must give into a one time abortion. Abort everyone that voted for this in 2010 and again in 2012.
Posted by: Bob A at December 19, 2009 11:04 PM
Thank you everyone. Good to see you Texas Fred.
Today we were at a get together with Family
members to celebrate one of our cousins that
has stomach cancer. He was told by his doctor
he could travel from N.Y.to Florida where we
all are to spend Christmas with his daughter and
her husband and their family. It was a celebration
in his life and a prayer for next year to have
him with us for more years.
I never said anything at the party tonight but
I kept thinking of how his chances would be
once the socialized medicine was put through.
This cousin is in his late 70's. The age that
Obama's health care is not user friendly for
sure.
Posted by: Wild Thing at December 19, 2009 11:25 PM
Yeah. Nelson and Lieberman sure TALK a good game, don't they?
Now we'll see who has permission from Reid to vote "NO" on final passage (Lincoln, Pryor,??) so they can go home and try to fool the voters in 2010.
Are they THAT stupid, or do they think WE are??
Every last Democrat should face the wrath of their constituents when they finally make it home for Christmas. And MAYBE the R's will show some spine and keep up a continuous drumbeat of noise about this monstrosity until after the elections. (If we have them.)
Democrats burn in Hell. Every. Last. Frikkin'. One. Of. Them. Billy Ray, that's as clean as I can make it; Chrissie will chastise me if it isn't clean enough.
Posted by: Rick at December 19, 2009 11:39 PM
Note Bene: This is not a done deal yet. This bill if passed by the Senate has to return to the house for Reconciliation , the Lib-dems over there are furious with the Senate, for removing the public, option, Abortion and other choice items.
They have to make their changes and vote again on it. then it will have to return to the Senate for a final vote.
So this is not a slam dunk. By virtue of the ideologies involved here, this bill could be in 'Limbo' for a long time to come. The closer we get to 2010 election, and that is after January, the less likely a bill will come out that could go to the Bamster.
Posted by: Mark at December 20, 2009 07:28 AM
Iif people weren't pissed at the power-drunk Dems before, they likely are now...
These tools like Nelson will soon regret the day they did this for Obama, he'll pull all them right-over the abyss with him... and the coming GOP majority will just rescind it anyway-
Posted by: Reaganite Republican at December 20, 2009 10:36 AM
