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November 21, 2009
Dangerous Obama May Put Americans Under World Judges' Power
Obama may put Americans under world judges' power
International Criminal Court issues are focus of delegation to The Hague
Obama has dispatched a delegation this week to The Hague to explore issues involving the United States' possible participation in the International Criminal Court, an organization critics charge could be used to prosecute Americans under international legal standards for actions that are not crimes in the U.S.
Andy Laney of the U.S. State Department confirmed the delegation is comprised of members of the State Department as well as the Defense Department. He said they were dispatched on a week-long trip because of U.S. concerns over how "aggression" is defined internationally.
"There is an inter-agency party, half from the State Department, half from the Defense Department, there to engage other delegations on matters of U.S. interest and specifically over our concerns on the definition of the crime of aggression," he said.
Critics, however, warn that they believe former U.S. war crimes prosecutor Ambassador Stephen Rapp is on a trip that involves more than just the definition of a word.
"The Obama administration would like the U.S. to be a party to the court," said Brett Schaefer, an international regulatory expert with the Heritage Foundation.
The Obama administration would like to establish closer ties with the ICC if it turns out the U. S. can join the court. The objective here is to address the major objections to the U. S. joining the court," he said.
White House officials declined to comment.
The court was introduced to the U.S. when President Bill Clinton signed the Rome Statute in 1998. But President George W. Bush pulled the U. S. out in 2003 over concerns that the ICC might prosecute American soldiers for war crime charges coming from the U. S. campaigns in Iraq and Afghanistan.
The concern was that the ICC doesn't recognize many of the U.S. Constitution's provisions protecting defendants in criminal trials, such as the right to a trial by jury and protections against double jeopardy.
"The meeting at The Hague is also in preparation for the Rome Statute's review in May of 2010," Schaefer said. "Mr. Rapp is there to find out if (the 108) member states are interested in amending the document to address U.S. concerns. Ambassador Rapp is there to learn how substantial the barriers to the U.S. joining the court actually are."
Laney admitted it was a change in U.S. direction that prompted the trip.
"The decision to send Ambassador Rapp reflects the commitment of this administration to engage the international community on issues that affect our foreign policy interests," Laney said.
"Ambassador Rapp says he wants the U. S. to join the ICC. Since coming into office, President Obama says he wants the U. S. to join and Secretary of State Clinton says it's unfortunate that the U. S. is not a part of the ICC," Schaefer said.
"The previous administration in its early years sought to amend the treaty to alleviate U. S. concerns ... the treaty would intrude on U. S. policy and its obligations overseas," Schaefer said. "That effort failed. So, the Bush Administration in 2003 sent a letter to the Secretary General of the U. N. saying it no longer considered itself bound to the jurisdiction of the ICC."
Schaefer said the process as it now is set up presents dangers.
"Israel took action in Gaza earlier this year to attack Hamas and knock out the Hamas rocket launchers in the Gaza Strip," he said. "Israel took enormous cautionary measures to prevent civilian casualties. Even though Israel and the Palestinian Authority are not signatory members of the ICC, the ICC is still investigating the Israeli military to see if they can prosecute members of the Israeli Army for war crimes."
Mathew Staver, lead attorney for Liberty Counsel and dean of Liberty University Law School, said U.S. membership in the ICC would be a mistake.
"This administration is globalist and transnationalist and wants to bring this country into the global system. The U.S. stands to have its citizens being prosecuted by the international court in The Hague and have its citizens come under the world court's jurisdiction," he said.
Schaefer confirmed Staver's fears.
"Supposing the U. S. engages in a military action and that action results in civilian casualties. We do an investigation of the matter and find no guilty party. If we are a member of the court, if we are a party to the Rome Statute, the ICC at that point has the opportunity to second-guess us," he said. "They may be able to use evidence and they may be able to pursue routes of trial that would not be portable in the U. S. because of the different standards established in the U. S. legal system and the rules set forth in the Rome Statute."
His warning is that the ICC could, "in essence … come and prosecute U.S. citizens, U.S. soldiers, U.S. officials for actions the U.S. deems entirely lawful."
He believes the Obama White House will begin the push for ratification after the May 2010 review of the treaty.
"After the May review is when I believe the administration will seek to go to Congress to make the changes in our system necessary that will allow us to participate in the ICC," he said.
Staver said Americans should be worried.
"Everything anyone has ever heard about the globalist system is being promoted by this administration," he said. "President Obama definitely wants the U. S. to be a part of a transnational, global system."
Wild Thing's comment..........
Another day and another opportunity for dangerous obama to further dismantle the sovereignty of the United States.
Obama is the one that is guilty of treason.
....Thank you Mark for sending this to me.
Mark
3rd Mar.Div. 1st Battalion 9th Marine Regiment
1/9 Marines aka The Walking Dead
VN 66-67
Posted by Wild Thing at November 21, 2009 06:47 AM
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Just one more step by the Mulatto-in-Chief to destroy the America that we have spent over 240 years building. Folks, while you are sitting on your asses, why don't you get the Grandkids over so that you can tell them that barack HUSSEIN obama long legged mack daddy has, with your permission, taken the America that your parents promised you and your grandkids. Be sure to let the grandkids know that he did all this while you sipped your latte, and played with the playstation. That you didn't do a damned thing because you aren't involved in politics. Be sure to let them know also, that while you understand that your US Representative, is in DC to represent you, that you did nothing to suggest to him what you wanted him to do. Let them know that you just relaxed and let their America be taken by this government run amok
"Never Forget Ft. Hood Texas 11/5/09!"
Posted by: Frankly Opinionated at November 21, 2009 08:50 AM
This may be the spark for the second American revolution.
Ever since the birth of America, much of the rest of the world has been envious. They have envied our freedom and our accomplishments as a result of those freedoms. Our anglo saxon and Christian backgrounds have also been a deciding factor in our greatness.
Now we have a Marxist/muslim as president and a Congress of mostly socialist elites that want us to be just another cog in a globalist society, a mediocre nation like so many others.
International treaties are designed to put countries under the control of a cabal of elitists whether they be the UN or the EU or OAS or any other small group of men. Sovereignty becomes a thing of the past and international courts rule rather than individual or nation's rights.
obama likes this globalist route toward Marxism. He and our self serving Congress and a small army of czars are bound and determined to destroy American sovereignty and individual's rights as guaranteed by our US Constitution.
This ICC can rule that we American citizens cannot own firearms. Then our handlers like obama, Holder, Reid and Pelosi will gleefully send their civilian defense corps and SEIU thugs around to confiscate those weapons. It will get bloody.
Posted by: TomR at November 21, 2009 12:19 PM
The American people must stand. The question is where will Congress stand, where will the judiciary stand (including the Supreme Court), where will the military, where will state and local law enforcement stand?
Posted by: Bob A at November 21, 2009 05:07 PM
Seriously, after 10 months, when is enough... enough?
Posted by: darthcrUSAderworldtour07 at November 21, 2009 06:48 PM
It's up to us, we the people we don't have representation in Washington all we have is a bunch of rubber stamps and sheep lead around by the ring through their nose.
If Health Care passes the country will change over night.
Tom's spot on this could spark the next revolution.
Posted by: Mark at November 21, 2009 07:43 PM
Frannkly, I agree we must never forget what happened at Fort Hood.
Tom, that was great,well said, thnak you.
Bob A., yes it has tocome down to all of those
taking a stand against the enemies of our country which are in our own government.
Darth,DITTO that my friend. I know all of us
sure have had enough.
Mark, absolutley and I wonder what the first thing
will be that will happen when the health bill
is officially signed. God help us all.
Posted by: Wild Thing at November 22, 2009 12:37 AM
