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July 29, 2009
Barack FONDA Obama and UK Gordon Brown Want Talks With " Moderate" Taliban
A soldier in Gereshk, Afghanistan. Gordon Brown has signalled the end of the first phase of Operation Panther's Claw, aimed at driving back the Taliban. Photograph: Peter Byrne/PA Wire
Britain and US prepared to open talks with the Taliban
A concerted effort to start unprecedented talks between Taliban and British and American envoys was outlined yesterday in a significant change in tactics designed to bring about a breakthrough in the attritional, eight-year conflict in Afghanistan.
Senior ministers and commanders on the ground believe they have created the right conditions to open up a dialogue with "second-tier" local leaders now the Taliban have been forced back in a swath of Helmand province.
They are hoping that Britain's continuing military presence in Helmand, strengthened by the arrival of thousands of US troops, will encourage Taliban commanders to end the insurgency. There is even talk in London and Washington of a military "exit strategy".
Speaking at the end of the five-week Operation Panther's Claw in which hundreds of British troops were reported to have cleared insurgents from a vital region of Helmand province, Lieutenant-General Simon Mayall, deputy chief of defence staff, said: "It gives the Taliban 'second tier' room to reconnect with the government and this is absolutely at the heart of this operation."
The second tier of the insurgency are regarded as crucial because they control large numbers of Taliban fighters in Pashtun-dominated southern Afghanistan. The first tier of Taliban commanders – hardliners around Mullah Omar – could not be expected to start talks in the foreseeable future. The third tier – footsoldiers with no strong commitments – are not regarded as influential or significant players.
The change in tactics was revealed as the Ministry of Defence announced that two more British soldiers were killed in southern Afghanistan. One, from the Light Dragoons, was on patrol in Operation Panther's Claw; the other, a soldier from the Royal Artillery, was killed on foot patrol in Sangin. Ten soldiers have died in Operation Panther's Claw.
A ComRes poll in today's Independent suggests most people now believe British troops should be pulled out of Afghanistan. Most of those who responded (58%) said the Taliban could not be defeated militarily, and 52% of those surveyed said troops should be withdrawn immediately.
America's priorities in Afghanistan will be spelled out in a briefing paper drawn up by General Stanley McChrystal, the new US commander in the country, due to be handed to Barack Obama tomorrow.
He will emphasise the need for speeding up the training of Afghan troops, according to defence sources. He is also expected to ask for more troops from Nato allies. British military commanders are drawing up contingency plans to increase the number of British forces to more than 10,000 from the current 9,000.
Miliband's call for talks with more moderate Taliban elements was echoed later by Gordon Brown, who said: "Our strategy has always been to complement the military action that we've got to take to clear the Taliban, to threaten al-Qaida in its bases – while at the same time we put in more money to build the Afghan forces, the troops, the police."
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Wild Thing's comment......
OMG The United States and Great Briatian are not opening negotiations with the very enemy they were supposed to purge off the face of the earth??? would a winning military force want to open up negotiations? This will embolden our enemy.
"call for talks with more moderate Taliban "
I don't care what level they want to split the Taliban into there is NO moderate Taliban . Remember how the the Taliban laughed at the idea that there are moderate Taliban’s spoken of by Obama when he said he wanted to sit down with the moderate Taliban. Obama: 'Victory' Not Necessarily Goal in Afghanistan
"Our enemies may be irrational, even outright insane, driven by nationalism, religion, ethnicity or ideology. They do not fear the United States for its diplomatic skills or the number of automobiles and software programs it produces. They respect only the firepower of our tanks, planes and helicopter gunships." ~ Ronald Reagan
It won't change the fact that they want kill us. It will give them breathing room, an air of respectability with those that may have opposed them otherwise, and of course obama will throw in funding from our tax dollars to them. This bad, this is real bad.
I think it's going to take years to reverse the damage that this asshole has already done...and he's just getting started. Obama's history is he will apologize, we all know that. He will slam our country for going to Afghanistan after 9-11 to hunt down the terrorists, and ‘causing’ this war to begin and continue.
So now we know, Obama did say he was not interested in VICTORY now we know what he is interested in ......talking., more of his insane speeches..........
I can see it now, limp wristed Obama and his teleprompter, turning his head side to side with his ugly chin raised just a tad to let them know he thinks he is the future ruler of the world. The Taliban with visions of not sugar plums dancing in their head but nice shiny sharp swords and knives being turned by the handle around and around as they pretend to be "moderate" as they listen to him say...... " Let me make this very clear......eh ah let me make this clear........I can offer you free medical insurance just like the other illegals and did I tell you I am a Muslim and the call to prayer in Islam is the most beautiful sound I have ever heard, did you hear my speech in Cairo?"
Fade to black screen and sounds of.......... " but what if I show you my real birth certificate?"....
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....Thank you Richard for sending this to me.
Posted by Wild Thing at July 29, 2009 08:48 AM
Comments
The only moderate Taliban is a dead Taliban.
Posted by: Bob A at July 29, 2009 11:21 AM
Moderate Moslem is there such a thing. They will look long and hard for one. In the meantime, the troops are getting the shaft, as per usual. They will be right in the middle of this ass kissing contest between two leftist weenies of the UK and USA.
Wake up people.
Posted by: Mark at July 29, 2009 02:02 PM
Sounds like the Vietnam and Henry Kissinger days being repeated. Maybe this time they will argue over the shape of the tent. Meanwhile, the GIs get screwed again.
Buck ofama!
Posted by: TomR at July 29, 2009 02:54 PM
Lets call a spade a jig, Blowbama is a friggin COWARD!
Posted by: cuchieddie at July 29, 2009 04:17 PM
Hey TomR,
I like that phrase Buck ofama.
Posted by: Bob A at July 29, 2009 06:35 PM
Bob A., DITTO that.
Posted by: Wild Thing at July 30, 2009 02:44 AM
Mark, your right that is exactly where
they will be. I am so sick of how our
troops are the last ones thought about
by our leaders, Obama as CIC etc.
when they should be considered first
no matter what.
Posted by: Wild Thing at July 30, 2009 02:46 AM
Tom, I LOVE that!!!!!
"Buck ofama!"
Posted by: Wild Thing at July 30, 2009 02:47 AM
Yes, 'let's talk'... and while we're at it, I'll roll over so you can see my soft white (or yellow in Fauxbamas case) underbelly, you know, so that when you are shaking my hand it'll be easier to eviscerate me with the dagger behind your back..... "Shades of the Paris/Hanoi/Washington Debacle" redux.... un-be-fackin-livable...... = Tell a rabid dog to sit, he'll bite your leg.Go ahead, TALK to him, he'll bite your face. TRY to pet him, he'll bite your nutz..... The ONLY way to solve the problem is to PUT THE DOG DOWN. (in the ground, ashes to ashes , dust to dust and all that...) The 'Talkers' weren't AT 'ground zero' on 9/11 , they weren't AT the Pentagon, they weren't on Flight 93 , they weren't on the USS COLE , nor the Embassies, nor Bombed Hotels and Nightclubs, and I REALLY doubt they have watched the video the horror of the beheading of Nick Berg... CLUELESS SIMPLETON BASTARDS.
Posted by: pontiff alex at July 30, 2009 05:00 PM
