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May 10, 2009
A New Gun Law Being Considered in Congress
Next step? No guns allowed for right-wing 'extremists'
Bill empowers attorney general to forbid firearms for those 'suspected dangerous'
A new gun law being considered in Congress, if aligned with Department of Homeland Security memos labeling everyday Americans as potential "threats," could potentially deny firearms to pro-lifers, gun-rights advocates, tax protesters, animal rights activists, and a host of others – any already on the expansive DHS watch list for potential "extremism."
Rep. Peter King, R-N.Y., has sponsored H.R. 2159, the Denying Firearms and Explosives to Dangerous Terrorists Act of 2009, which permits the attorney general to deny transfer of a firearm to any "known or suspected dangerous terrorist."
The bill requires only that the potential firearm transferee is "appropriately suspected" of preparing for a terrorist act and that the attorney general "has a reasonable belief" that the gun might be used in connection with terrorism.
Gun rights advocates, however, object to the bill's language, arguing that it enables the federal government to suspend a person's Second Amendment rights without any trial or legal proof and only upon suspicion of being "dangerous."
"Rep. King would deny citizens their civil liberties based on no due process," objected Larry Pratt, executive director of Gun Owners of America. "A 'known terrorist?' Look, if the guy has committed an act of terrorism, we shouldn't have to worry about him being able to buy a gun; he should be in jail!"
Pratt further warned of the potential overlap of H.R. 2159 and a recent DHS memo that warned against potential violence from "right-wing extremists," such as those concerned about illegal immigration, increasing federal power, restrictions on firearms, abortion and the loss of U.S. sovereignty.
"By those standards, I'm one of [DHS Secretary] Janet Napolitano's terrorists," Pratt said. "This bill would enable the attorney general to put all of the people who voted against Obama on no-gun lists, because according to the DHS, they're all potential terrorists. Actually, we could rename this bill the Janet Napolitano Frenzied Fantasy Implementation Act of 2009."
Pratt's biggest concern, however, is the sidestepping of the Constitution and due process that the nebulous language of this bill could permit.
"Unbeknownst to us, some bureaucrat in the bowels of democracy can put your name on a list, and your Second Amendment rights are toast," Pratt said. "This is such an anti-American bill, this is something King George III would have done."
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Wild Thing's comment.........
I never knew Rep. Peter King was anti-gun. Who needs liberals when RINOS do the job for them!! What is it in the water in Washington that gives even Republicans harebrained ideas?
Our rights as Americans are being stripped away at a speed I never thought I’d see in my lifetime. If ever an American needed to be an armed citizen, it is now. This is not a Bill put through yet, but we sure as heck need to know about it and what is going on. This is the kind of thing that they could pass and non of us would know about it till it was too late. The 2nd Amendment as the rest of the Constitution means nothing to these characters.
Bills like this will turn “potential threats” into real ones....but that might also be the intent.
And, the nefarious deeds of a crafty terrorist need not involve guns at all. I’m sure they would be happy to produce a mushroom cloud rather than a hail of bullets.
It appears due process is being thrown out the door. This is a flexible bill of attainder that can be twisted any way the bureaucrat sitting in the Attorney General's office desires.
....Thank you Mark for sending this to me.
Mark
3rd Mar.Div. 1st Battalion 9th Marine Regiment
1/9 Marines aka The Walking Dead
VN 66-67
Posted by Wild Thing at May 10, 2009 08:47 AM
Comments
Oh no they don't!!!!!! That's Bull Crap! If I can't have one, they can't have one. End of story.
You can't go singling out certain groups like this (wouldn't that be a hate crime too?). The snowball rolleth down the hill too far and getteth too biggeth for them to handle.
Governing? You're doing it wrong!
Posted by: Lynn at May 10, 2009 09:54 AM
Let'em try and take mine. Let'em just freaking try and take my firearms.
Posted by: Billy Ray at May 10, 2009 10:06 AM
Yep, I do find the sequence of events and their relation to each other too close to be coincidence. Mao Z-Obama is getting ready for the new cultural revolution right here in the Good Ol' U.S. of A. Ever notice that these bills are proposed by either some commie black caucus member or some damn yankee RINO. I find these particularly discriminatory against Caucasians, Police, and U.S. Service Men and Women and IMO that's a hate crime.
This bill was tried before in te 110th congress and died in committee. Pray this bill follows the same fate.
"You cannot invade the mainland United States. There would be a Rifle behind every blade of grass." Fleet Admiral Isoroku Yamamoto.
COME AND TAKE IT
Posted by: JohnE PFC U.S. Army at May 10, 2009 11:34 AM
If the Dems and Rinos try to pass a sneaky gun bill like this it may just lead to the break up of the union. I agree with JohnE that these gun bills appear to be racist, as is this Obama administration. Disarm all the law abiding White folks and the Obama government and all it's wefare supported homies can run amok. That is what Obama's civilian defense corps will be for, gun confiscation.
Peter King just made it on my large shit list. I realize that lots of Northeastern Repubs are Rinos, but I did not think he was one.
Gun registration is just over the horizon. We will be given a choice of registering or being criminals. Then will come taxation on the guns, then confiscation via one regulation or another.
I hope other red states join Oklahoma and Texas in declaring their sovereignty from the Federal government. If Obama breaks America up, maybe even some of the people that voted for him will begin to see the light.
Posted by: TomR at May 10, 2009 01:17 PM
This is a big surprise from King. He use to represent the Conservatives of his party but not anymore.
They, Obama and Ilk, are desparatly trying to turn the clock back to September 10, 2001. Now, going after Pro-lifers, and any person or group that believes in the U.S. Constitution are now considered Terrorists. This is Bullshit.
If the administration were trying to divide the country, they couldn't found a better way.
Posted by: Mark at May 10, 2009 02:34 PM
Rep. Peter King, D-N.Y., has sponsored H.R. 2159. Bring it on assholes. Nuff said!!!
Posted by: Jack at May 10, 2009 03:12 PM
Lynn, heh heh good one, I love how you
put that.
"If I can't have one, they can't have
one. End of story."
Posted by: Wild Thing at May 10, 2009 07:34 PM
Billy Ray, if and when they really do
make something like this pass. There
will be an outrage across our land. And
democtat gun owners will join in as well.
Posted by: Wild Thing at May 10, 2009 07:36 PM
JohnE PFC U.S. Army, thank you for the
information about the bill.
Thank you for othe quote.
Posted by: Wild Thing at May 10, 2009 07:40 PM
Tom, I agree, same here, I always thought
King was a stand up guy that leaned much
more conservative. I sure was wrong.
Posted by: Wild Thing at May 10, 2009 07:45 PM
Mark, see that is how thought of him too.
I really am surprised about this. It
totally is different then he has been.
I agree too, this will divide the country
for sure if they put any gun banning through.
Posted by: Wild Thing at May 10, 2009 07:48 PM
Jack, yes that is the change in his
status for sure.
Posted by: Wild Thing at May 10, 2009 07:50 PM
Okay, I really hate to subscribe to freak out conspiracy theories, but something has me worried.
You have to have a license to have a gun. The gun has to be registered. Fine. The guvment knows where all the gun owners live by tying those registrations and licenses to addresses.
That little thing about rounding up all the guns bothers me, beyond the "let them try and take them away" attitude which I think most people have that feel threatened by restrictions.
A couple weeks ago there was a census worker parked in front of every house around me. He told my husband he was verifying addresses for the Census in 2010. I didn't think much of it until I found out they are getting GPS coordinates on every front door in America. How convenient they can now tie you and your gun records to that GPS coordinate now, making it much easier to know where to go first to round up said guns, in the case of one of their staged crisis.
Little steps leading up to a massive evokation of our freedoms, all of them.
Posted by: Eden at May 11, 2009 07:03 AM
