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September 16, 2008
Obama Tried To Stall GI's Iraq Withdrawl
Obama Tried To Stall GI's Iraq Withdrawl
WHILE campaigning in public for a speedy withdrawal of US troops from Iraq, Sen. Barack Obama has tried in private to persuade Iraqi leaders to delay an agreement on a draw-down of the American military presence.
According to Iraqi Foreign Minister Hoshyar Zebari, Obama made his demand for delay a key theme of his discussions with Iraqi leaders in Baghdad in July.
"He asked why we were not prepared to delay an agreement until after the US elections and the formation of a new administration in Washington," Zebari said in an interview.
Obama insisted that Congress should be involved in negotiations on the status of US troops - and that it was in the interests of both sides not to have an agreement negotiated by the Bush administration in its "state of weakness and political confusion."
"However, as an Iraqi, I prefer to have a security agreement that regulates the activities of foreign troops, rather than keeping the matter open." Zebari says.
Though Obama claims the US presence is "illegal," he suddenly remembered that Americans troops were in Iraq within the legal framework of a UN mandate. His advice was that, rather than reach an accord with the "weakened Bush administration," Iraq should seek an extension of the UN mandate.
While in Iraq, Obama also tried to persuade the US commanders, including Gen. David Petraeus, to suggest a "realistic withdrawal date." They declined.
Obama has made many contradictory statements with regard to Iraq. His latest position is that US combat troops should be out by 2010. Yet his effort to delay an agreement would make that withdrawal deadline impossible to meet.
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Iraqi leaders are divided over the US election. Iraqi President Jalal Talabani (whose party is a member of the Socialist International) sees Obama as "a man of the Left" - who, once elected, might change his opposition to Iraq's liberation. Indeed, say Talabani's advisers, a President Obama might be tempted to appropriate the victory that America has already won in Iraq by claiming that his intervention transformed failure into success.
Maliki's advisers have persuaded him that Obama will win - but the prime minister worries about the senator's "political debt to the anti-war lobby" - which is determined to transform Iraq into a disaster to prove that toppling Saddam Hussein was "the biggest strategic blunder in US history."
Other prominent Iraqi leaders, such as Vice President Adel Abdul-Mahdi and Kurdish regional President Massoud Barzani, believe that Sen. John McCain would show "a more realistic approach to Iraqi issues."
Obama has given Iraqis the impression that he doesn't want Iraq to appear anything like a success, let alone a victory, for America. The reason? He fears that the perception of US victory there might revive the Bush Doctrine of "pre-emptive" war - that is, removing a threat before it strikes at America.
Despite some usual equivocations on the subject, Obama rejects pre-emption as a legitimate form of self -defense. To be credible, his foreign-policy philosophy requires Iraq to be seen as a failure, a disaster, a quagmire, a pig with lipstick or any of the other apocalyptic adjectives used by the American defeat industry in the past five years.
Yet Iraq is doing much better than its friends hoped and its enemies feared. The UN mandate will be extended in December, and we may yet get an agreement on the status of forces before President Bush leaves the White House in January.
Wild Thing's comment..........
This is huge (and serious) -- Iraqi Foreign Minister says Obamessiah tried to interfere with negotiations about the status of forces agreement and impending US troop withdrawals to try to push everything later..... he claims he wants troop withdrawals but he interfered to try to prevent any progress before the election.
Report is that Obama tried to derail impending decisions on troop withdrawals and status-of-forces agreement, obviously to benefit his own political prospects!!!! If this is not treason it is the first cousin of treason. Working privately to try to derail official US govt. negotiations in a WAR zone over such highly sensitive and important matters.
"Obama insisted that Congress should be involved in negotiations on the status of US troops "
Oh, dear God help us. He's got absolutely no clue about the separation of the executive and legislative branches, and which one is actually the commander-in-chief. We CANNOT let this bozo Obambi get into power. His stupidity is simply overwhelming.
Another paragraph in the article sums up what is going on, although of course Obama will try to deny it:
"Obama has given Iraqis the impression that he doesn't want Iraq to appear anything like a success, let alone a victory, for America. The reason? He fears that the perception of US victory there might revive the Bush Doctrine of "pre-emptive" war - that is, removing a threat before it strikes at America."
The Logan Act makes it a felony and provides for a prison sentence of up to three years for any American, “without authority of the United States,” to communicate with a foreign government in an effort to influence that government’s behavior on any “disputes or controversies with the United States.”
I cannot express the seething rage I feel right now towards that arrogant little parasite.
Face to face with Iraq's leaders, Barack Obama gained fresh support yesterday for the idea of pulling all U.S. combat forces out of the war zone by 2010. But the Iraqis stopped short of actual timetables or endorsement of Obama's pledge to withdraw troops within 16 months if he wins the presidency.
Obama was over there directly undermining the White House's current negotiations:
The White House expressed unhappiness about Iraqi leaders' apparent public backing for Obama's troop-withdrawal plans and suggested the Iraqis may be trying to use the U.S. presidential election as leverage for negotiations on the United States' presence and future obligations in the country.
“We don't think that talking about specific negotiating tactics or your negotiating position in the press is the best way to negotiate a deal,” White House press secretary Dana Perino said after al-Maliki was quoted in a magazine article supporting Obama's proposed 16-month troop withdrawal timeline. Al-Maliki's spokesman, al-Dabbagh, initially appeared to try to discredit the magazine report but yesterday expressed anew hopes that U.S. combat forces could be out of Iraq by 2010.
The Bush administration has refused to set specific troop-level targets but last week offered to discuss a “general time horizon” for a U.S. combat troop exit.
Obama Plans Trip Pre-Election Day Visit to Iraq and Afghanistan
Among the issues being discussed with the two presidential candidates is the long-term security accord between Iraq and the United States. While the Bush administration would like to see an agreement reached before the summer’s political conventions, Mr. Obama said today that he opposed such a timetable.
“My concern is that the Bush administration, in a weakened state politically, ends up trying to rush an agreement that in some ways might be binding to the next administration, whether it’s my administration or Senator McCain’s administration,” Mr. Obama said. “The foreign minister agreed that the next administration should not be bound by an agreement that’s currently made.”
Obama doesn’t deserve to have a shack on a city dump with this kind of Traitorous Behavior, Obama is SCUM! Trying yet to bring DEFEAT TO IRAQ solely for HIS SUCCESS! Obama, who’s name we dont really know, and who’s citizenship we are denied knowledge of is a DISGUSTING, PERVERTED, RADICAL MUSLIM TERRORIST!!!
This has been on Drudge, Rush talked about it and also Rush mentioned possible Logan Act violation, Mark Levin talked about it as well, Fox News, and online Fox news has it, and Fox and Friends and in the links I have posted in the above information. It's also on Yahoo as the most ‘blogged story’ !!! GOOD! The power of the internet and conservative talk shows and some at Fox too.
I hope it gets more legs and not put aside but brought out more and more into the open. I know, no, we all know how the media will stand by Obama no matter what. But there are stilll some holdouts that have character and love America and we all know that too. Those are the ones we need to hope and pray make this what it is HUGE news.
Could this be even beyond The Logan Act if it’s about an ongoing war? Why not treason?
Oba,a's camp denial. They are blaming the Iraqi for misunderstanding BO! ( Politico ) SHEESH in the article they bring up McCain and he has absolutely NOTHING to do with this story at all.
Obama camp calling Iraqi FM a liar.... by implication (or else Taheri got it wrong?)..... boy, I hope Taheri has his ducks in a row, that the Iraqi FM stands by the statement, that this story does simply melt away in a "he said, he said" cloud.
Rush transcript
On Summer Trip to Iraq, Obama Tried to Delay US Troop Pullout
RUSH: Amir Taheri today in the New York Post, a damning piece, but typical. This tells us everything we want to know about The Messiah, Barack Obama, the Lord, the Most Merciful One. "While campaigning in public for a speedy withdrawal of US troops from Iraq, Sen. Barack Obama has tried in private to persuade Iraqi leaders to delay an agreement on a draw-down of the American military presence. According to Iraqi Foreign Minister Hoshyar Zebari, Obama made his demand for delay a key theme of his discussions with Iraqi leaders in Baghdad in July." Mike, grab One Night in Baghdad from the parody archive songs from Shanklin. Let me know when you've dug it out there. "'He asked why we were not prepared to delay an agreement until after the US elections and the formation of a new administration in Washington,' Zebari said in an interview. Obama insisted that Congress should be involved in negotiations on the status of US troops - and that it was in the interests of both sides not to have an agreement negotiated by the Bush administration in its 'state of weakness and political confusion.' ... Obama has made many contradictory statements with regard to Iraq. His latest position is that US combat troops should be out by 2010. Yet his effort to delay an agreement would make that withdrawal deadline impossible to meet. ... According to Zebari, the envisaged time span is two or three years - departure in 2011 or 2012. That would let Iraq hold its next general election, the third since liberation, and resolve a number of domestic political issues. Even then, the dates mentioned are only 'notional,' making the timing and the cadence of withdrawal conditional on realities on the ground as appreciated by both sides."
Now, you might be saying, "What's the big deal about this?" Well, two things. Number one, Obama has been clamoring for these troops to get out of there now, now, now. Obama was part of the cabal that wanted defeat of the US military this year. He wanted defeat of the US military this year. He wanted them out this year. He wanted to hang defeat around the neck of George W. Bush and run against that. Now all of a sudden he wants a delay in the withdrawal of troops so that he can say he did it and fulfill a campaign pledge to the kook fringe. What does this remind you of? Here we have a genuine October Surprise story. Remember when they falsely accused George Bush 41 of going over to Paris to make sure the Iranians kept the US hostages until after the November election 1980 so that Reagan would get the credit. There was never any basis for that story, just the seriousness of the charge, there was never any basis to the truth of that story and yet here's Obama doing exactly what Democrats accused George Bush 41 of doing in 1980. What a slimeball! You people on the left, do you understand your guy wants troops in Iraq until at least 2012 now, if out then, so that he can be the guy in charge of saying "I got 'em out." I guess now we know what Obama did One Night in Baghdad.
We knew that Obama's summer trip was bad, but we had no idea he was playing games with our troops for his benefit. So he goes to Berlin, he trashes the country, skipped a visit to wounded soldiers when he was in Berlin, let's not forget this. And now we found out he's playing games with the lives of our troops, maybe even a Logan Act violation, going there and asking the Iraqi guy, as a mere senator, "Hey, can't you delay your political action here?" That trip overseas was a disaster. It was beginning of the end of the bloom coming off the rose. This is not experience, this is not judgment, this is change, but it's breaking a law and his faith with his followers and our troops. Barack Obama asking the Iraqi foreign minister to keep US troops longer than the commanders on the ground think they are needed. Stop and think of that!END TRANSCRIPT
McCain Responds to Obama's Reported Undermining of the Commander-In-Chief During Wartime
The McCain Campaign has issued a statement responding to the report from Amer Taheri that Sen. Obama secretly negotiated with the Iraqi government regarding U.S. withdrawal from Iraq. McCain spokesman Randy Scheunemann stated as follows:
At this point, it is not yet clear what official American negotiations Senator Obama tried to undermine with Iraqi leaders, but the possibility of such actions is unprecedented. It should be concerning to all that he reportedly urged that the democratically-elected Iraqi government listen to him rather than the US administration in power. If news reports are accurate, this is an egregious act of political interference by a presidential candidate seeking political advantage overseas. Senator Obama needs to reveal what he said to Iraq's Foreign Minister during their closed door meeting. The charge that he sought to delay the withdrawal of Americans from Iraq raises serious questions about Senator Obama's judgment and it demands an explanation.
Posted by Wild Thing at September 16, 2008 04:47 AM
Comments
If Obama tried to delay until after the election it should be clear that it was his intention to do so in order to take credit for it himself if elected. He is a hypocritical, lying worm.
Posted by: Bob at September 16, 2008 09:14 AM
The thing that bothers me is the game playing, for his benefit, with the lives of the troops. This all by itself should cost him the election.
So much for change this is typical democrat back room politics. I don't see any change here. Just more of the same defeatist crap from the party of defeat.
Posted by: Mark at September 16, 2008 01:09 PM
If true, and seeing Obama campaign, it appears to be something that he would do then there should be a Logan Act investigation into his discussions with Iraqi leaders. Regardless, if Barack Hussein Obama is elected President that will be the first day that I will not be proud of my country.
Posted by: Les at September 16, 2008 03:55 PM
Thumbs up to you Les.
Posted by: Bob at September 16, 2008 05:08 PM
Thumbs up to you Les. Maybe he should go on an snow machine race with some Alaskans. After all he showed us his excellence at bowling.
Posted by: Bob at September 16, 2008 05:14 PM
Bob, I agree, and it will really tick me off if once again a leftie gets away with something like this. Clinton got away with all of his "gates". And I would like to see just once one of these jerks be punished.
Posted by: Wild Thing at September 16, 2008 06:19 PM
Mark, I agree, it is breaking my heart how cold this is and how he plays with the lives of our troops. He truly could care less about even one of them.
Posted by: Wild Thing at September 16, 2008 06:22 PM
Les, yes if true and I bet it is true too, but I also know how the left wins at these horrible things and nothing happens to them for their evilness. grrrrrrr
If Obama wins I will postively do something here at my blog to show my disgust. I have no idea what yet but I will not be able to just sit here and not make a statement with a graphic or something in my sidebar that will stay there his entire horrible term.
Posted by: Wild Thing at September 16, 2008 06:26 PM
