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August 17, 2008
McCain KO's Obama In His Answers
McCain and Obama had a face off at Saddleback Church in California. They were questioned seperately and Obama was asked the questions first while McCain was kept in another area where he could not hear Obama's replies.
It will be repeated this morning on C-Span
10:36 AM EDT
C-Span
Forum on Civil Leadership and Compassion
Saddleback Church, Civil Forum
John S. McCain III, R, Arizona
Barack Obama , D, Illinois
On Abortion:
McCain
Obama
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Among the points they made:( this is from my notes so some are missing exact quotes)
-Their greatest moral failure.
“The failure of my first marriage,” said McCain. “It’s my greatest moral failure.”
Obama said he experimented with drugs and drank during a “difficult” youth when his father had left and he himself was overly selfish. “I couldn’t focus on other people,” he said.
-Most gut-wrenching decision
McCain said it was when he refused early release from a North Vietnamese prison camp because it would have put him ahead of fellow American prisoners in violation of their code of conduct. “It took a lot of prayer,” he said.
Obama said it was opposing the war in Iraq at a time it was politically risky and he believed that Saddam Hussein did mean to harm the United States. However, he said he did not believe that Saddam had weapons of mass destruction.
-On the meaning of their own Christianity
“It means I’m saved and forgiven,” said McCain.
He told how his faith sustained him while a prisoner of war in Vietnam, telling how one of his captors treated him humanely and once secretly drew a cross in the dirt to signal his own faith. “It was just two Christians worshipping together,” he said.
“It means I believe that Jesus Christ died for my sins and that I am redeemed through him,” said Obama. “That is a source of strength and sustenance. ... I know that I don’t walk alone.”
He said that influences his belief that people should think about helping the needy.
-The three wisest people they would consult as president
McCain listed Gen. David Petreaus, the architect of the surge strategy in Iraq; Rep. John Lewis, D-Ga., a veteran of the civil rights movement; and Meg Whitman, the CEO of eBay, who created more than a million jobs.
Obama named two, his wife and grandmother. He also said he would consult bipartisan sources such as former Democratic Sen. Sam Nunn and Republican Sen. Richard Lugar.
-Supreme Court justices they would not have nominated
McCain named Stephen Breyer, Ruth Bader Ginsburg, David Souter and John Paul Stevens.
Obama said he would not have appointed Clarence Thomas because he wasn’t smart enough or Antonin Scalia because he disagreed with him.
-On sending troops to stop genocide
“Our obligation is to stop genocide wherever we can,” McCain said. He added that the United States can provide material and support, not just troops.
“I don’t think there is a hard and fast line at which you say we are going in. It is always a judgment call,” Obama said. “If we have it within our power to prevent mass killing and genocide and we can work in concert with the international community to prevent it, then we should act.”
-On when a child secures human rights
“At the moment of conception,” McCain said. “I have a 25-year pro-life record. ... I will be a pro-life president.”
“Answering that question with specificity is above my pay grade,” Obama said.
He said he supports limits on late-term abortions if there is an exception for the health of the mother. But ultimately, he said, he supports abortion rights. “I am pro choice,” he said.
-On marriage
McCain said marriage should be between a man and a woman. He said he’d leave it to the states to regulate, but that he would support a constitutional amendment to ban gay marriage if a federal judge ordered all states to recognize one state’s gay marriages.
Obama also said he believes marriage is between a man and a woman. But he said he would not support a constitutional amendment to define marriage that way, saying that marriage historically is left to the states to define.
After putting my notes above I found this if you want to read it. The first few links are Obama's interview and the last half of the links are McCains.
Broadcast Transcript Service: Saddleback Civil Forum on the Presidency
http://www.rickwarrennews.com/transcript/
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Wild Thing's comment.......
It was a Knockout. Not a TKO but an honest to goodness Knockout.
There is a reason Obama will not agree to the Town Hall debates...he knows McCain will clean his clock. Tonight was proof of that, even though they were separated and each one did not hear the responses of the other. The difference was night and day.
I have my issues with McCain, but I have to give him credit for what happened at the event last night.
I don't have videos of all of it from last night, just a few. .
The questions were the same for both candidates. Making it fair and actually it showed even more what a horrible candidate Obama is for our country.
Just this for McCain ....he needs to try and stop his use of “my friends” it irritates me like nails on a blackboard. And his VP pick will be a break or make thing too I think.
Obama has his hands full. McCain is all nuts and bolts. Obama is theory.
No matter who wins we have a rough ride ahead of us and America deserves better that is for sure.
Posted by Wild Thing at August 17, 2008 05:55 AM
Comments
Right on WT and now we know WHY Obamessiah is avoiding MCCAIN in reference to debating him...
"Osama and Putin want Obama!" B. Hussein Obama is out of his league.
Posted by: darthcrUSAderworldtour07 at August 17, 2008 06:42 AM
Yep. McCain did much better. Obamanation still sounded like a little kid. Obviously that "my wife," thing shows that Bitchelle is really the one pulling his strings. Both are spoiled brats. They make Bart Simpson look nice.
As far as McPain goes, yep, he needs to pick a vp with balls of solid rock. No wishy-washy fence sitters like Lieberman or nutjobs. He has to pick wisely after consulting several times with the man upstairs. If he truly believes, God will show him the way and the path to choose.
After the election, the next 4 years are going to make or break this nation. We have to pick wisely.
Posted by: Lynn at August 17, 2008 06:53 AM
Obama is gonna consult his wife? She's the wisest person he knows? Followed his grandmother?
He's toast.
Posted by: LIndaSoG at August 17, 2008 07:09 AM
WAS THERE ANY DOUBT WHO HAS MORE WISDOM-?
IMATURITY- WHINNING AND-
WHAT-- THE HELL--- ABOVE HIS PAY GRADE-- ??? LMAO!!!
NOW JUST PICK KERRY FOR YOUR VP--
AND GET THIS PARTY STARTED LIL BABY TURD!!!
DON'T FORGET TO CRY RACIST AMERICA!!!!
OBAMA IS SUCH A RETARD -
I HOPE THE MEDIA IS PROUD OF THEMSELVES FOR PUSHING THIS LOSER ON US FOR MONTHS!!
HA HA hE IS LUCKY THE CHURCH DID NOT FALL IN ON TOP OF HIM!!
Posted by: Cheryl Zee at August 17, 2008 08:36 AM
Obama had a difficult time when his father left and turned to drugs? My gosh, he was 2 years old.
Obama's opposition to Iraq was gut wrenching? He was a nobody state senator in Illinois. His opposition was irreverent and meaningless because nobody cared what he thought. He has become a legend in his own mind.
What grandmother would Obama consult? The one in Hawaii he allotted a whole hour of his time to visit, not taking his wife or children with him on the vist? Maybe it's the one in Africa whose family is as crooked as a dog's hind leg.
Clarance Thomas isn't smart enough? What makes Obama think he's so smart? Oh yea, a legend in his own mind.
Obama says it's above his Pay Grade? I'm sorry, but this clown is wanting to be President and there's no one above that pay grade in the US. The buck stops with the President so apparently Obama is admitting he's not qualified to be President.
Posted by: BobF at August 17, 2008 09:52 AM
It will make me feel warm and secure knowing B. Hussein would consult Michelle Mamabama. And which grandmother was he referencing, the typical white person? I could have misunderstood, but I thought I heard in excerpts this morning that he would consult with Ted Kennedy and Richard Lugar. Kennedy's claim to fame is his skill at underwater driving.
McCain made the best choice with General Petraeus. I remember seeing/hearing somewhere that Obama said he would listen to the military commanders, but there was only room for one commander in chief. This monkey along with Mamabama couldn't even make a decision on what breed of dog to get for the kids. I would suggest a mixed-breed. I certainly hope he isn't in charge of making military decisions.
Posted by: Bob at August 17, 2008 10:25 AM
Obama = Equivocation and bluster
McCain = Substance and decisiveness
A roll call vote at the Convention? The Dems are seeking a triumvirate in their Clinton-Obama let's go along to get along love fest. It's all about 'Me'.
John Dean? "Suppose you were an idiot. And suppose you were a member of Congress.. But I repeat myself."
--Mark Twain
Now who is Hillary going to choose as Hussein's running mate?
Posted by: Jack at August 17, 2008 11:14 AM
As my Old Shipmate SM1 Cannon said, this guy(obammy) is a shitstain. Leave it to a skivvy waver! I couldn't watch this "event" due to said empty suit shitstain with nothing between the headsets.
Posted by: Glenn M. Cassel AMH1(AW) USN Retired at August 17, 2008 11:20 AM
Obama has a gut wrenching experience on deciding what to do about Iraq. He wasn't a Senator in 2003, and WMD did not surface until January 2003. He knew that Iraq meant us harm but he was against the War anyway. Some commander in chief he will make...I know we are under attack but we will talk about it first, he and kerry deserve each other, their own little room on the Locked Ward.
The democrats have been repeating for years that the Iraq War was about WMD, it was not. And that Bush lied about the WMD. He did not.
They even reference his state of the union speech in 2003 where he mentions WMD, for the first time.
In 2002, Bush got overwhelming apporval from congress to take out Iraq, then UN approval, the another UN resolution to force Saddam to comply.
Then WMD surfaced, this was icing on the cake, not the cake. Before Bush every democrat claimed to have first hand knowledge that Saddam had WMD.
In fact the 'Invasion of Iraq' was a mere continuation of the Gulf War, which when ended was merely a cessation of hostilities, with the proviso that Saddam behave himself. There were two no-fly zones which Saddam kept violating.
This is fact yet the democrats keep convoluting the lie of WND and of course to blame Bush for invading a sovereign country this couldn't be further from the truth.
Saddam was even paying the families of dead Jihadi's for blowing themselves up, if that isn't colusion, then these democrats are as dumb as dirt.
Posted by: Mark at August 17, 2008 11:38 AM
Can't add much to what everyone has said, except maybe for uh, uh, um, uhhh...
Posted by: yankeemom at August 17, 2008 03:32 PM
LindaSoG, it is good to see you online sharing your wit with us. Your brain seems to be 'cooking' as well as before the Gamma Knife procedure. Maybe even a little sharper.
Well, if the wisest people Barack Obama would consult as President are his wife and grandmother (black or white), maybe John McCain and the independent press (I know, few and far between) should direct policy questions to them. How would Michelle respond to Russia's military expansionist aggression in Georgia? Would his grandmother sit down and talk to Mahmoud Ahmadinejad without preconditions and allow him to develop nuclear weapons or would she seriously keep the military option on the table and only negotiate after Iran stopped it's nuclear development? How would they respond to another 9/11-like attack nine months into the new administration?
Posted by: Les at August 17, 2008 05:16 PM
Darth, thanks and yes Obama really is out of his league.
Posted by: Wild Thing at August 17, 2008 05:33 PM
Lynn, LOL that is funny abouto Bart Simpson and true too.
Posted by: Wild Thing at August 17, 2008 05:38 PM
Linda, hi good to see you. LOL yes his wife and his grandma that he threw under the bus. hahaha
Posted by: Wild Thing at August 17, 2008 05:42 PM
Cheryl, your right, the media looks the fool along with Obama.
Posted by: Wild Thing at August 17, 2008 05:46 PM
BobF, see that is what was wrong with the way it was set up last night. There were no 2nd and 3rd questions when a person said something like that.
I agree, was it the grandma under the buss or the other one.
Plus the other things you said too should have been brought up.
Posted by: Wild Thing at August 17, 2008 05:51 PM
Bob, yes hahahaha I know what you mean. It just makes me feel so safe knowing our country will be run by the brains of Michelle Obama and Obama's grandma ( whichever one she is).
Posted by: Wild Thing at August 17, 2008 05:53 PM
Jack, hahaha good one! This will probably win as the weirdest election year. Maybe the ones eons ago before any of us were born has stuff too but this one belongs to our era. haha
Posted by: Wild Thing at August 17, 2008 05:57 PM
Glenn M. Cassel AMH1(AW) USN Retired,
LOL good one Glenn.
Posted by: Wild Thing at August 17, 2008 06:09 PM
Mark, that was an excellent run down, really good!
Thank you.
I remember when I learned about Saddam paying suicide bomber families. There was so much that was shocking me about what these people are like it was sickening.
Thanks for your comment about this.
Posted by: Wild Thing at August 17, 2008 06:31 PM
Yankeemom, hahahaha good one.
Good to see you.
Posted by: Wild Thing at August 17, 2008 06:35 PM
Les,yes wouldn't that be something. Have Michelle O. on these political talk shows and ask her about her foreign policy. hahaha
Posted by: Wild Thing at August 17, 2008 06:43 PM
Thumbs up to you Mark.
Posted by: Bob at August 17, 2008 06:51 PM
God bless you Linda! Prayers are powerful and SO GOOD you're here with a few patriots that actually care about Uncle Sam and Lady Liberty!
Obama is out of McCain's league. McCain has 26 years in DC and 22 in the U.S. Navy... Obama crashed and burned and is falling like an ASSteroid!
Posted by: darthcrUSAderworldtour07 at August 17, 2008 11:55 PM
