Theodore's World

WHERE IS MURTHA NOW? Where is his condemnation of the brutal torture slayings of our soldiers?

It does look like an angel following the planes; an angel flexing a whole lot of muscle.

WT:

This event should be a turning point for us. Conservatives like William Buckley have already reached the conclusion that "the postulates" about Iraq have been proven false. The postulates were that Iraqis, and maybe Middle Eastern cultures in general, would respond to Western ideas of liberty and civilization...but that we now find them too primitive, too addicted to the blood fued, and too permanently depraved in their sectarian viciousness to DESERVE the benefits of Western civilization.

The deafening silence from the organized Muslim world, and Muslims in The West, on this event is evidence enough that somewhere at the heart of this abominable Middle Eastern malignancy is sympathy and passivity with the inherent cruelties and barbarism as expressed by Al Qaeda and the dozens of other infected sores like it throughout the world. We should know by now that the cuckoos are in the nest in The West, and the churning slaughterhouses of Middle Eastern society are as busy as ever.

The Arab children we adore in our Western innocence are simply the immature version of the murderous misongynistic monsters they are destined to become because their cultures, their religion, their habits and mores and norms will turn them in no other direction. If this isn't true, it's not for us to prove the negative. We must assume the worst because we've seen in it.

These assumptions are also at the heart of the left's calls for redeployment and withdrawl...which is that neither the Iraqis, the Somalis, various African groups, or other quarters in the Islamic Family of Man who live in this way, are worth a single American life, a single American tax dollar or the vast efforts at persuasion to bring these horrific people NOT into the 21st Century, but toward the idea of what it means to be human.

The West is not prepared to Romanize these animals. Since this is not a war of conquest, which EVERY war should be, no strategies which involved total domination are on the table. The elimination of cities, governments, institutions, industrial centers, tribal formations, infrastructure, populations and all the vestiges of organized society are in the planning room. But this is the way Western militaries are destined to fight, and any other long term strategy is a plan for failure.

Limited wars result, at best, in limited victories, which is what we have in Iraq. Most of the elements of Western government are in place, in a NEW Islamic Republic created by the US. This is madness, in my view.

In the short term, we must do, to avenge these soldiers, what we will not do. Kill the perpetrators with extreme prejudice, advertise the method and certainty to others who would kill Americans in this way, and avenge ourselves in a clear and unmistakable act of humiliation, insult, domination and destruction upon the systems that produce this human filth, which is to say something dear to them. This is deterrence. Killing them all isn't an option, so we must kill them in their hearts, in their sentiments, and plant an undermining, paralytic fear so great that action isn't possible.

They declared war on us, and did so a generation ago. Until we realize that the only response is complete and utter elimination of the sources of our enemies' determination to fight us, this will go on and on with more Americans dying to promote a vain and impossible cause. That cause is to introduce the Muslim world to the possibility of secular redemption through civilization. We're finding that the material for this transformation just isn't there. Buckley is right. Time to recognize the permanent depravity of the Muslim World, establish rational defensible borders around it, make clear our intentions to use nuclear weapons against ANY act of provocation in ANY country, oil producer or not, and settle in for the long defense of The West. Nothing but total victory is acceptable or possible. You don't transform barbarians, you kill them.

What does it look like when you're losing a war? Just like it does in Iraq now. More dead U.S. soldiers, more U.S. soldiers murdering Iraqis, more Iraqis being blown to bits by the horror your forces have unleashed... Your people can't even go outside the "Green Zone" without guns pointed in all directions. It's no different to when the Crusaders were holed up in castles in the 1100s. And you will be driven out just as they were. Unfortunately, you've handed Iraq over to Shiite fundamentalists, who will go on to destabilise Saudi Arabia's despotic regime, and that will crash the Western oil-based economic system. The U.S. has sown the seeds for its own destruction.

Incidentally, I'm not a Muslim. I'm a white Anglo sort who's aghast at the disgusting mess America has made in Iraq. You've caused the death of more than 100,000 people with the hell on earth you created there. Your President Cheney (the rest of the world knows he's actually in charge because Bush is too stupid to run a hamburger stand, much less a country) has made Iraq worse than it was under the monster Saddam. That's a hard thing to do; making a country worse than it was under a despicable despot. Cheney should be put on trial for war crimes. The U.S. is now the new USSR, a killer imperialist empire hated worldwide. And it will have the same fate as the Soviets.

P.S. At least our troops had the sense to bugger off to the Syrian border once the Japs we were guarding got back home where they belonged. I hope our Diggers get back here soon and leave you stupid seppos to take the punishment you deserve!

If only we ran the world!

Bob it does, it looks just like an angel flexing a whole lot of muscle.

Rhod I have goosebumps from reading your commentm it is awesome and right to the point of how it is. It is so true and that is just what will happen too. We will not be avenging the death of these soldiers. You are right one does not nor cannot transform barbarians.

Bukko in Australia, how pathetic a reply you gave.

You say you are not a Muslim, ah but you are at heart wee little bukko. Yes indeed you are. The entire world is divided up even if you do not realize it. Those that see Islam for what it is and those that do not. Those that do, know we are at war with Islam. Then those like you, oh yes, you are in the same group as the followers of Islam.

There is a list

HERE

you could educate yourself with of just a few of the attacks by Islam, mostly on Americans. But alas I doubt you have the never to go look at it.

Bukko, one day you might learn it is better judgement to always pay your enemies the compliment of taking them seriously. Islam is your enemy too even if you do not face up to that.

I am proud of our troops, I am also grateful for the troops from your country, our allies.

It must be awful to be you Bukko.

Hi Greta I agree.

I agree with Rhod's perfect summation. I think we should have encouraged another Iraq/Iran war, supported Kurd independence, done what we could to involve Syria in the fighting and let them spend themselves killing each other, like Reagan did in the 80's.

I also wish that 12 Sep 01, we had cut off all immigration of moslems to the US and concentrated our efforts on dismanteling the organization they already have in place here thru their mosques.

But then, I are not an "all-knowing" politician. And I am afraid that Bush may go down as one of the most bungling presidents ever. Hope I am wrong, but his indifference on the immigration issue makes me think his agenda is different, and secretive, from his Conservative base.

Ignore Bukko in Austrailia. He's a clueless shrimp sucker. Assholes like Bukko haven't a glimmer of understanding of the causes of Islamism; he conveniently forgets Bali (unless he blames it on the US), and has the fatal dimwitted lefty understanding of cause and effect. He hasn't the balls or brains to think this thing through. So, Bukko, go fuck yourself you pinheaded, prattling wave hopper.

The simple truth is that Islamism and its variants is self-generating. You can ignore it, but it won't ignore you. It's been at war with Christiandom and The West for five centures, and more overtly since the 1970's. Pinwheels like Bukko might want to open a book, if the jackass can read the words.

The problem with Iraq is not failed policy, it's failed perceptions. Iraq has one similarity with Vietnam - it's a war unsuited to Western military capabilities and tradition. Since the Romans, and maybe the Greeks, Western militaries have succeeded by tight discipline, rapid and overwhelming use of force with consequent, total destruction. Wars need to be concluded quickly, which is a Clausewitzian idea and also common sense. Long, grinding wars are never won in any real sense.

We wage war by inflicting destruction and pain on our enemies. Destroying armies in the field and destroying the infrastructure, transportation and information centers, institutions and the CREDIBILITY of our enemies has been our strategy. When the enemy's ability to fight is diminished, but the willingness remains, we inflict pain to complete the process. The pain of death, of the promise of further insult to come if the war continues.

This war, which exists beyond the borders of Iraq, is a war overtly waged by Islam against the West, and by covert and/or passive acceptance of the terms by other Muslims. The bodies of our soldiers were found nearby the kidnap point; 8000 troops couldn't find them. Where were the kidnappers? Deep in the protection of the citizenry, that's where.

The short prediction is this. Before this is over, more than one American city will be gone, and along with it, the oil fields of the Middle East, Tel Aviv, Mecca, Medina, Teheran, probably some European cities, and areas on the periphery of Middle Asia. Like most sensible European observers in the 1930's, and their literature proves it, we can see the train heading off the cliff. Islam will not be persuaded, reformed, mollified or deterred from its goals. Change will come through massive pain, massive damage and massive humiliation.

The degenerate House of Saud proves it...prosperity beyond belief side-by-side with the wretched and disgusting deformities of Wahabbism. The Mercedes parked outside the Maddrassa is the emblem of Saudi Arabia. Western excellence beside Middle Eastern depravity.

One side or the other will win. There is no middle ground and no compromise. It's them or it's us, and as long as I have breath in me, it won't be them.

Bush's agenda isn't that different from his Conservative base. Its just that he has realised... who else will those Conservatives vote for? Hah, he could chop up and eat a live baby in the next SOTU address and a large number of his constituents would *still* vote republican - just to keep the democrats out.

Realising that his Conservative base are now such dedicated supporters nothing he does will lose them, he is trying to extend his appeal to the Moderates, so that appeal will be redirected to his Republican replacement next election. If he did everything the most conservative people demanded, he would lose moderate support.

This is why two-party (plus some tiny, insignificent ones) politics doesn't work well.

Bush's agenda isn't that different from his Conservative base. Its just that he has realised... his conservative base is quite fanatical. Who else will they vote for? Hah, he could chop up and eat a live baby during the next SOTU address and a large number of his constituents would *still* vote republican - just to keep the democrats out.

Realising that his Conservative base are now such dedicated supporters nothing he does will lose them, he is trying to extend his appeal to the Moderates (who tend not to support him right now), so that support will be redirected to his Republican replacement next election. If he did everything the most conservative people demanded, he would lose moderate support.

Just when you think you have seen and heard it
all along comes Bukko!!Well atleast he was able
to write the post in ENGLISH not JAPANESE,which
if not for us nasty Americans at the Battle of
the Coral Sea in 1942 which would have been the
case...Bush is not my favorite guy, but I tend
to lay the blame more on the P/C Brass running
the show than him,now is the time for another
Patton not the candy ass bunch that are in
charge now... We won WW-2 by braking the will
of Japanese and Germans to fight,how,by
pounding the living crap out of them, towns
factories,the works.I belive since we dropped
the bomb we have lost our guts to win at all
cost,Collateral damage is something we are going
to have to live with if we intend to win this
thing...As for the Immigration deal the folks
put enough heat on capitol hill we can shut it
down,but for now the dems want Victums and the
repubs want cheeeeeep labor,remember the folks
can make it happen,but you have to be heard!!

Suricou:

Which of your multiple personalities is on display today? The warmonger, calling for the destruction of Islam, the defender of "traditional English architecture" against the monstrous golden onion dome in your neighborhood, the composed conservative, the person who call American troops "murderers", the atheist/agnostic who claims Christians are as pontentially bad as Muslims, the PC Brit in mortal fear of Muslim "complaints" the Bush-hater, the defender of the US military...how many more, let's see....too many to list.

You have absolutely no comprehension of American politics, which hasn't prevented you from claiming to understand it. The question really is...do you know who you are?

"..the Screaming Eagles will be looking for- and will GET- payback on these raghead scum-sucking bastards."

I LOVE your way with words WT. ;)

Rhod is correct, we need to decide once and for all that we are in a fight for survival, and only by unleashing the beast can we have a chance of being the last man standing.

No war ever fought was won by anything less than the total destruction of the hearts, minds, and bodies of the enemy. As a certain movie character once stated,"they send one of your men to the hospital, you send three of theirs to the morgue."

Hi Delftsman, thank you. :)

Damn I love the smell of Napalm in the Morning
and throw a little Willie Pete in for a grin!!

Yep. It what I have been calling for for the last couple of years..deficate or get off the pot. I am not calling for a pull out--I am calling for sending in more people, disbanding the Iraqi government and disarming the place village by village and shooting every sumbitch in Iraq who disagrees. half steppin' gets people killed! And we half half stepped every since we blitzed in and took Baghdad.

We are winning the physical war and losing the psychological one. Propoganda must be countered just like bombs and bullets. Fourteen insurgents could defeat the United States if the propoganda Americans hear is lopsided enough. Lets see thats seven insurgents doing enough killing every day to fill CNN's footage of dead women and children quota, leaving the other seven with a day off to figure out more creative ways to make sure American perception is exactly what they desire it to be.
We need to stop taking knives to a gun fight. We need to recruit marketing genius's a lot worse than we need more body armor and Port container security. Lets get with it people! Hell we Americans invented the art of persuasion, just look at how many people purchased a stupid Ab Roller for Gods sake!
Lets just be clear we all know there are two fronts for this war. One front in the middle east for Islamo Fascism, and the other on our own soil against this hideous political correctness cancer.
Now get to it!

Don't forget that these same types of atrocities were perpetrated on American soldiers in Vietnam, then as now, we fought honorably.

It was the same crowd that dishonored the nation then that are dishonoring it now.

Rhod is absolutely correct in what must be done, totally eliminate the enemy.

As for Bukko, it's the likes of you around the world that incite the Islamist to attack, they know you will roll over and accept the fate of the Dhimmi, unwilling to protect yourself and unwilling to aid those willing to do it for you.
There have been many good men from Australia who have served to protect freedom in Australia as well as around the world, I have had the honor to serve with them, they have my respect.
You do not.
You demonstrate your ignorance of the march of Islam. Saddam Hussein's quest was to be the dominant leader in the Middle East, he fought to achieve that end for 8 years against his neighbor, Iran, who entertained the same ideals.
He invaded Kuwait in 1991 and was poised to invade Saudi Arabia. Sure it was about oil, he needed the money and it was an in your face challenge to the United States, the world's economy runs on oil, even that piece of rock down under is dependent on oil.
As part of the 1991 U.N. brokered cease-fire agreement, Iraq agreed to abandon all chemical and biological weapons and allow UN observers to inspect the sites, the UN trade sanctions would remain in effect until Iraq complied with all terms. Saddam thumbed his nose at the rest of the World for 12 years, ignoring one U.N. resolution after another.
You have lost track of the fact that the U.N. failed to take action against Saddam Hussein's regime after his repeatedly breaking the treaty signed in 1991 and daily violating the established no-fly zones to protect Kurds in the north and Shia in the south.

You convieniently ignore that the U.N., the countries of France, Germany and Russia were taking oil for food money from Saddam so he could build up his forces again and bypass the sanctions.
You ignore the facts that Uday and Qusay,both butchering murderers, were given an (48 hours)opportunity to leave Iraq with their father Saddam, also a known murder, by U.S. President George W. Bush or face war. Have you also forgotten that Saddam ran a horror show of torture against his own people, Saddam Hussein's government was directly linked to the deaths of between 600,000 and 1,000,000 Iraqis, and the deaths of over 700,000 Iranians and Kuwaitis, that he attacked the Kurds at Halabja, killing 5,000 civilians, and maiming, disfiguring, or seriously debilitating 10,000 more.
He used weapons of mass destruction that you lefties are so fond of denying he had.
Don't overlook the fact that a Canadian was aiding Saddam through this, Gerald Bull, then living in Brussels, Belgium, was helping Saddam with his Russian Scud missle program, extending their range and also building a long range super gun so Saddam could accurately shell his neighbors with probable chemical or nuclear agents. He designed two artillery pieces for the Iraqis: the 210 mm Al Fao; and the 155 mm Majnoonan, an updated version of the South African G2 Howitzer.
The guns were built and sold through Austria. Who'd of thought that?
Yes, Surricou, your homeland had a part to play in this too, Bull then started work on the "real" PC-2 machine, a super gun that was 150 meters long, weighed 2100 tons, with a bore of one meter. It was to be capable of placing a 2000 kilogram (4400lb.) projectile into orbit. Construction of the individual sections of the new gun started in England at Matrix Churchill and also in Spain, the Netherlands, and Switzerland.
Bull was assassinated March 22, 1990 and the Iraqi supergun project was stopped.

Thanks to the efforts of France, China and Russia helped rebuild Saddam's arsenal by supplying between 650,000 and 1,000,000 tons of weaponry to Iraq in violation of UN sanctions.Saddam not only had time to replenish his lost armament but to move or bury most of the weapons of mass destruction he held.

But, but, but he didn't support terror?

Bullshit, the son of a bitch ran a terrorist training camp out of Salman Pak, a biological warfare center, where both Iraqis and non-Iraqi Arabs receive training on hijacking planes and trains, planting explosives in cities, sabotage, and assassinations. Saddam also paid the families of Palestinian Homicide terrorists.

The one fact that cannot be denied is if the United States hadn't intervened in WWII, Australia would have became a part of the Japanese Empire and Surricou would be marching around in jackboots saying Sig Heil's whilst waxing that moustache.

FDR and Churchill at Yalta gave away Eastern Europe to the Soviet Union, where Stalin and his regime killed 6 to 8 million. This will pale in comparison when the forces of Islam take over.

Don't believe it?
Look no further than Darfur, Sudan where you can see just how the U.N. will protect you from the same Sunni Islamic aggressor that's doing the butchery on the Sudanese.

Tincan Sailor, haha good one!

GUY yesss half stepping is not what is needed. Do you rememeber about a year after we went in to Afghanistan that the troops were told NOT to put bullets in their guns? It only lasted a little while but it was crazy!!!!!

Steve that is so true, there is a fight there and also here on our own soil against this enemy.

Jack LOVE it, thank you so much for the links as well as the comment.